Hmm, doesn't this missile/TE change mean TEs really need considering for a nerf/reduction of the last buff they got?

The Drake has long range weapons.

The Cane has short range weapons.

Fair comparison? Put HAM's on the drake or Arty on the cane, then can compare.

invest in ishtar and drones thats still 800+ atm untill drones get a nerfbat too

I have corpmates who have like 15M sp in missiles, and all their spaceship command in caldari. They are 100% ******, since skills wont get reimbursed.

I do not bother because of the range and damage nerf. But what I hate is the fact that a dev without any knowledge of the game wants to disrupt missiles with TD's. Why? You can destroy missiles with Smartbombs and Defenders, which you can not do with gunnery!
If I think of my missions with defenders and lots of frigs with TD I can cancel my subsription as 100% Caldari! What I have done with one account this morning! This account will be the next. So stop this sh!t with TD's on missiles CCP or you will lose another account from a more than 4 years loyal paying customer!

How come?Do you know what ship bonuses Drake will have ?Did you and any of us test that ship on SiSi?

This all sounds "OMG Blizzard you nerfed my paladin I could kill easy all classes and now they kill me ",rally WTF this game community more and more looks like WoW one.

No you are so wrong .There was totally different reason ,but that is not topic here.Point is missile ships will get tools to control explosive radius and optimal and that is what they never had.If you check how they are changing Kestrel and Caracal ,than you will see that there is no more kinetic bonus so all damage mods will do same dmg and that is awesom.Gallente and Ammar dont have that option for example.

I obviously can't speak for that situation since I wasn't working here at the time, but I'd simply ask you to keep an open mind and judge these balance changes and the debate around them on their own merit.

Hey, Recoil IV, has your avatar smelled something bad or are you in a permament state af rage?

The perfect ship for you is surely a Rage HAM Drake then. :nod:

Well CCP, I have about 25 drake hulls and around 100 or so HML and HAM T2 mods that you need to reimburse me for, since the drake will be utterly useless in any capacity.

its hard to remain civil when faced with this kind of ignorance. every bone in ur body screams at u to troll them all the way to their mums.

but just for u Fozzie,

Recoil and Bane, if u didnt rely on using the HML's for everything u do then this nerf wouldn't be hitting u so hard. relying on a single OP'd weapons system was foolish from the beginning because the nerf was going to come eventually. its ur own fault for thinking u could get everything in a single weapon system for a minimal amount of SP's and foolish for believing it would last forever.

However, if u do decide to quit, feel free to donate to me anything (or everything) that doesn't get reimbursed (lol). and when u log off for the last time, watch u dnt get hit by a metaphorical door on the way out.

no, i'm assuming ur eve life revolves around HML's and u think everybody's life revolves around HML's. the only reason the two of u committed so much of ur time and SP's to HML's and the ships that they are most frequent attached to is because they could give u so much flexibility and power with a reletively small SP investment.

the mere fact that ppl are saying their eve life is over because of this nerf says to me that alot of ppl trained into this weapon and nothing more so that they, like u, could get everything in one weapon system. thats not balance.

i realise a lot of ppl use HML's because they are damn useful as they are. but the vast majority of players are mature enough to see that they were too good and are prepared to suffer the nerf or move onto other weapon systems.

once HML's are nerfed there will not be a protest like there was after incarna

Yeah, and you could fit 2 more HML to the Canes highslots and end up with 490 DPS (RF EMP + Fury HML) compared to the Drakes 411 DPS (Scourge Fury) 368 DPS (CN Scourge) or 329 DPS (other damage type Fury) (both ships with all l5, no implants, no Drones).

So yes, the Cane can easily Out-DPS the Drake on paper. And thats even before the patch. Btw, without those launchers the Cane would have 426 DPS (RF ammo) or 432 (Quake). Still have bigger bay, still have bigger bandwith. And, to be fair, also a worse tank.

A list for you, all l5, 2 t2 damage mods, no rigs, no drones, no implants:

Cane with 6 Arty + 2 HML:

490 DPS (RF high damage + Fury)

426 DPS (RF high damage and no launchers)

Drake:

411 DPS (Scourge Fury)

386 DPS (Scourge Faction)

329 DPS (Fury non-Scourge)



just to compare others:

Harbinger with IN Multi:

468 DPS

Brutix with CN Antimatter:

444 DPS

I perfectly know all those ships will have tracking issues with fast close stuff. And I know perfectly well, in game it will not be the best bet to use them there. But you can clearly see, * the numbers show* - the Drake is worst in DPS. There is no point in denying this :)